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Lowered the treble down to PEQDB/HFEG treble because it was just way too hot on my EM6L's
 

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Guys. Ive outdone myself. I rebuilt it from moondrop vdsf. Bass and treble from hifiendgame mk3, upper mids from harman moa 2025 and a little custom touch in the midrange based on my fave headphones. Difference from my last target is going to be heard as more vivid mids and smooth treble.
I also tested with 10 band precise mode from peqdb studio on my sony mdr 7506.

@Sebastian B Sorry man, i tried your target. It's crazy thin and sounds like low frequency hearing loss.

EDIT: ill likely try rebuilding it again but with JM-1 As the target to modify. To look at fixing the very highest treble drop off.
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@The Grongle Yeah the sebbytarget is very v-shaped. It's basically the Beyerdynamic DT 270 Pro. Not for everyone, but pretty decent for very low level listening.

Also, the new target here is pretty much just the HFEGIII target haha

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They do look similar but when you use, in my case, the sony mdr 7506 and use 10 band precise mode eq comparing to hifiendgame v3 you end up with a very noticable difference
 
Testing mud cut target.

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Every time I try to add mud cuts to my target it just ends up making things sound boring and clinical.

My current experimental target is way different than anything else that sounds the most fallen natural I will post it here soon.
 
The Grongle said:
Every time I try to add mud cuts to my target it just ends up making things sound boring and clinical.

My current experimental target is way different than anything else that sounds the most fallen natural I will post it here soon.
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Have you considered getting your own measuring rig? I'm not so sure using online measurements is a good idea
 
Hi guys. Turns out my target had a fatal flaw. it was made on the ibasso d17. ibasso house sound emphasises upper mids to the point of sounding obnoxious. The fiio btr17 does in the opposite direction. and overall it sounds better to my ears. so i will be reworking it from scratch based on this.
 
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Hi guys. Turns out my target had a fatal flaw. it was made on the ibasso d17. ibasso house sound emphasises upper mids to the point of sounding obnoxious. The fiio btr17 does in the opposite direction. and overall it sounds better to my ears. so i will be reworking it from scratch based on this.
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Good catch. Was this emphasis measured?
 
Measured by my ears on a/b tests.
The difference is quite significant.
Not just in how certain frequencies are emphasized but how the overall imaging is perceived. It has more 3d depth but it is also closer and less smooth. I'm not a fan.
 
Going to be using this for my foundation of the next target. If you have to start anywhere. Diffuse field seems like a good start.
 
Don't underestimate just how warm you can make something and have it sound good if the mids and treble balance it out.
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I can get down with lower treble, but there has to be a 4 dB cut at 5 kHz to fix the tonality issue I hear there. I also tune my bass a bit differently and tend to hear a little honkiness around 1.75 kHz. This is what sounded good to my ears:


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Sebastian B said:
I can get down with lower treble, but there has to be a 4 dB cut at 5 kHz to fix the tonality issue I hear there. I also tune my bass a bit differently and tend to hear a little honkiness around 1.75 kHz. This is what sounded good to my ears:


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Goes to show how different hrtfs can be when you get to the upper mid range.
I've never had issues with 5K on headphones. This is why Harman moa 2025 sounds so natural to me.
I also never just used the auto EQ function and left it at that. I always make adjustments on a per device basis. Usually in the very upper treble.
 
Again, this bass is tuned off of Chinese IEMs Hype2 and P40 measurements which i think they honestly just boosted the harman bass filter more than they should have after losrening. I feel Diamond is too thin and weak in bass and this is more balanced while diamond is more top heavy / clear. But these Chinese ones seem to use harman bass scoop while boosting too much. Ear sensitivity shows there should prob be more warmth or mud once you boost this much.
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Sebastian B said:
I can get down with lower treble, but there has to be a 4 dB cut at 5 kHz to fix the tonality issue I hear there. I also tune my bass a bit differently and tend to hear a little honkiness around 1.75 kHz. This is what sounded good to my ears:


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Here is my attempt to tone down the lower treble while enhancing vocal clarity.

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Alright so i want to aplogize for spamming the forums and i would delete the old posts if i could. But i feel that i have to produce results regardless for my efforts.
On that topic - I have done a lot more critical listening and i can confirm that mud cuts just always sound bad and make everything thin and lifeless.
also the eargain needs to taper off in a smooth way or else the aural picture will feel weird. I can literally hear the hump at 2-3k pushing forward more than the lower treble and it doesnt sound natural to me on headphones. Maybe for real world listening but thats partially irrelevant to what sounds natural with speakers against your ears.

As such the new target starts again from scratch and adjusts treble towards peqdb levels while retaining the diffuse field dips and mids now taper downwards into the eargain rather than tapering upwards.

Edit: hilariously, this lines up excellently with the simgot em6l. No wonder it is recommended.

Edit2: and although I have no concrete proof of this. Eq should be customized on a per headphone basis. Sometimes peqdb auto eq will ether make the negative preamp too aggressive or the treble will be too rolled off. Manual correction is needed in most cases for the best results.
In the case of the sony mdr7506, i am not sure if it better to adjust the eargain and lower treble reigon at all. Rather simply adjusting the lower mids, bass and upper treble yields the best results. Sounding more full and rich, rather than altering its very very clear upper midrange.
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